By psychicpenguin, origional post can be found here

There has been a lot of talk, on mindsay, and on the internets lately about homosexuality. Not so much fundementalist homophobes condeming homosexuals to hell, but homosexuals themselves, addamantly defending their sexual preference. To be honest, I couldn’t really care less whether someone was gay or straight. But when I am presented with all these opinions, it makes me think, and I want to present my opinion as well.


One of the common things I have noticed in articles written by people proclaiming their gayness is that they want respect, because being gay is “normal” and “natural”. Mind you, whether homosexuality is normal or not has little to do whether it is morally wrong or right. There are plenty of things that come natural to human beings that aren’t practiced by the general population, because they are wrong, and there are also countless things that humans do do that aren’t natural at all.

Because I don’t want to be educated on science, and gender roles, sexuality, etc. by someone who has formulated their own opinions by the popular media, I turn to people who have studied these things. Scientists from all backgrounds, liberal, conservative, christian fundamentalist, neo-pagan, and even of varying sexual practices have contributed to the research. One of my favorite researchers in this field is Professor Steven Goldberg. Goldberg is the Chairman of the sociology department at City College of NY. He acknowledges that in order to shed light on the real facts of human sociology, you have to look at the facts without bias, without standing on some ideological ground on which you base your opinions. Because, of course, the Christian scientists are going to have evidence against homosexiality, and Pro-Gay scientists are going to have evidence supporting it. 🙂 Thats just the way it is.
A shame that such an advanced society has to mix religion and politics in science.

Goldberg has some interesting things to say about homosexuality..
“Goldberg says that gays have an ideological commitment to proving the normality of homosexuality, but they have not yet been able to make a convincing argument for it.

We cannot grant gays affirmation of the normality of their behavior unless they can give us a cause for homosexuality that can be considered normal, he says. Most gays refuse to consider the common environmental factors that have been found in the backgrounds of homosexuals; they simply insist that causation is “irrelevant.” They expect, he says, that we should suspend criteria for normality which psychologists apply in all other cases.

Many gay spokesmen actually tend to deny the logic of deeming any behavior abnormal. Yet this approach does them little good. What they really want to argue, Goldberg says, is that homosexuality is normal, while other behaviors like necrophilia and coprophilia are not. To make the argument that homosexuality is normal because “all variant behaviors are ‘normal,'” gays would then be forced to deliver an argument explaining why necrophilia and coprophilia should be viewed as perversions, while homosexuality was healthy.”

Again, do not get me wrong. I have nothing against homosexuals. I would never try to stop someone from loving their same sex partner, I would never commit or condone hate crimes, and I would never treat someone differently because of their sexuality. But I will tell people my opinions, especially when everyone else gets to share. It is Samaels turn. : ]

I have heard a lot of homosexuals, and “pro gays” on the rampage claim that people are born gay. 🙂 That my dearies, is utter foolishness. Not only has it been dismissed by everyone in the scientific field, it’s not logical. There is no evidence supporting the “gay gene” theory either. Simon LeVay himself has said this: “It is important to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that homosexuality was genetic, or find a cause for being gay. I didn’t show that gay men were born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work.”. So homosexuality is not genetic. No one is inheriantly gay. If they were, anyone who was gay would not be able to change. I personally know three people who once identified themselves and practiced bi-homosexuality, and since have found opposite sex lovers. Does this mean that all people can do this? I don’t know. But it can and does happen. An arguement against people “changing sexuality” is that they wern’t really gay, they were straight all along. Really? Who can say? No one.

I hate making long posts, so I will cut this one here. 🙂 Enjoysed!